Curious & Curiouser Podcast, Episode 64: Emotional Neglect, Success, Striving, & What Our Society Gets Wrong About Happiness

This week’s episode of Curious & Curiouser was inspired by a listener email Tracey and I received following the tragic deaths of both Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain last week. Given the outward success both of these public figures had achieved and the fact they both took their own lives, our listener wanted to know our thoughts on the following questions:

1. What is happiness?


2. What are we ultimately striving for?

For this conversation, Tracey and I used these questions as a jumping off point to have a larger discussion about mental health, depression, happiness, success, emotional neglect, and so much more. We talk about the normalcy of having dark thoughts, the stigma around getting help for mental health struggles, the importance of connection, and why we believe that our purpose on this earth is not to be happy — although our society often sends the message that this is what we should be striving for in our lives.

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