Curious & Curiouser Podcast, Episode 33: Chaos, Fear, & Relinquishing Control (or, Does Everything Happen For a Reason?)

Halloween is upon us! Which seemed like the perfect time for Tracey and me to talk about fear.

Specifically, we are asking the question:  How do you know if fear is keeping you from making a mistake or is moving you “closer to the truth” as Pema Chodron tells us?

This question — and the ensuing conversation — was inspired by a listener, who wanted to know how to differentiate between the kind of fear that propels you towards growth and the kind of fear that is legitimately trying to protect you from acting recklessly when faced with a seemingly risky personal or professional decision.

In this discussion, Tracey and I talk about how we address fear in our own lives, how we approach risks, and some of the tools we use when trying to making difficult choices.

Other questions considered:

Does everything happen for a reason?

Does the Universe have your back?

Are we ever 100% ready to do anything?

This conversation was a good one and we sincerely hope you enjoy it. As always, if you’re liking the show, please head over to the show page and leave a 5-star rating or review. Tracey and I would really appreciate it!

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Highlights from this episode:

  • Me as an orca doing pull ups
  • How do you know if you should take a risk in spite of fear or if the fear is protecting you from acting recklessly?
  • How fear both hinders our growth and protects us
  • Episode about the stories we tell ourselves
  • Fear and attachment, episode about attachment
  • Tracey’s experience of confronting the fear that came up before and after her divorce and how she knew the fear was pushing her towards growth
  • How communing with her future self helps me makes tough decisions
  • Brene Brown
  • Investment without attachment
  • Why I trust that I’ll be fine no matter what and how I push past being risk averse by nature
  • How owning her imperfections helps Tracey feel less afraid
  • Why I regularly entertain the thought that my relationship might end
  • The importance of not circumventing difficult emotions and the pitfalls of spiritual bypassing
  • Do Tracey and I believe everything happens for a reason?
  • Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski
  • The power of relinquishing control and allowing the Universe to hold us
  • Patton Oswalt:  Annihilation on Netflix
  • The role of self-trust in confronting our fears
  • Are we ever 100% ready to do anything?
  • And more!

Piquing Our Curiosity:

Celeste Barber an Australian writer, comedian, and actor, whose Instagram account might be the most hilarious thing on social media right now. Or at least I think so. Head here to learn more about her and here to see her recreate ridiculous photos from the mainstream media and celebrities on Instagram. Comedy gold, you guys. Guaranteed to make you laugh.


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