Curious & Curiouser Podcast, Episode 25: Spirituality, God, & How to Talk to Your Kids About Death

On this week’s episode of the podcast, Tracey and I are answering another listener question. Hooray! Today’s question comes from our listener — and friend — Kate, who asks: What do your spiritual lives look like today and how did you each get where you are today with regard to your spirituality?

We love this question! Thanks, Kate, for sending it in! Tracey and I also thought this topic of religion and spirituality would be a great follow-up to last week’s conversation, in which I talked briefly about my experience of leaving the Mormon church as a teenager.

In this week’s episode, you’ll hear about Tracey’s spiritual background from childhood for the first time, I will reveal more details about what happened after I left the church, and both of us will talk about what our spiritual lives look like now.

Tracey also offers some great tips on how to talk to your kids about spirituality, God, and tough subjects like death. And she explains how she reconciles being non-religious with sending her kids to Catholic school. If you’re a parent, you won’t want to miss that part of the conversation.

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Highlights from this week’s episode:

  • Some quick housekeeping:  Are you having trouble with sound quality? Let us know by emailing us at
  • How did I navigate spirituality after I left the Mormon church?
  • Why I identified so strongly as atheist for so many years
  • How starting acupuncture school helped me redefine spirituality for myself in very different terms
  • The role the natural environment plays in my spiritual life currently
  • Did Tracey have a religious upbringing?
  • Pop culture Christianity and Presbyterian preschools
  • Tracey’s experience with Young Life as a teenager
  • The polarization of “believers” and atheists
  • How having a baby changed Tracey’s approach to spirituality and led to her discovery of Paganism and Humanism
  • What is Paganism? What is Humanism?
  • Why Tracey celebrates the winter solstice every year with her kids
  • Why Buddhist philosophy speaks to both Tracey and me
  • Where do morals come from without religion to give them to us?
  • How Tracey reconciles not being religious with sending her kids to Catholic school
  • Tracey’s advice to her kids:  “Be a thinker.”
  • What is the Bible? by Rob Bell
  • How Tracey explained Jesus to her son when he was 4 years old
  • What happened when Tracey’s daughter asked if it was ok for her to believe in God
  • Confession of a Buddhist Atheist by Stephen Batchelor
  • The role uncertainty plays in Tracey’s and my spiritual lives today
  • How engaging with your own mortality can enhance your spirituality and how Tracey talks to her children about death
  • Spirituality as an experiment and the importance of checking in with your own body; How does it feel? Does it resonate?
  • The importance of ritual and community
  • School of Life and Alain de Botton
  • Death, Children, and Honesty on Tracey’s website
  • And more!


This week’s animal spotlight from the Pixie Project:

MOUSE, a 6 year old Chihuahua mix weighing in at only 5lbs. He’s mellow, a little shy, and loves cheese, and he is also friendly with kitties and other small dogs. Mouse likes a regular routine and a quiet environment, so if you have an adult only household with a consistent schedule, he might just be the guy for you. Check out his profile here and then adopt this adorable little fella today!

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Also, if you live in Oregon, you are likely as devastated as we are about the Eagle Creek fire currently wreaking havoc on the Columbia River Gorge. We will be back next week with some information about how to help out those who have lost their homes and livelihoods on account of this terrible situation.

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